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blueblue30
ware, MA
Member Since: 04/30/08
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I was wondering if any of you had to consistantly lose weight before surgery. the surgeon wont do my surgery until he see my weightgo down some. I'm confussed. I need some help in what I should do. I want the surgery so bad. I know I'll die if I dont. Some one please help me.
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Terili
Member Since: 08/04/07
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How much weight is he asking you to lose?

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GeekGirl
Billings, MT
Member Since: 11/08/05
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I didn't, but I did have to do a week-long liquid diet the week before surgery.
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blueblue30
ware, MA
Member Since: 04/30/08
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he never say an exact amont. i just have to lose a little here and their. I also have to do the liquid diet so i dont get it at all
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Linda_S
Eugene, OR
Member Since: 11/11/06
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I think most of us have to lose before we can have the surgery.  My insurance required that I lose at least 5% of my body weight.  My surgeon wanted me to lose even more.  I think I lost a total of 14 pounds before surgery.  Some are required to lose more than that.  It shrinks your liver and makes it lots easier for the doctor to operate.  If you really want the surgery, you'll lose the weight. Linda
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DianaCox
San Jose, CA
Duodenal Switch (08/05/03)
Member Since: 12/22/02
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I believe that surgeons *****quire pre-op weight loss are fatty-haters who think you need to EARN your surgery, and that you deserve to suffer for your gluttony. Bullshirt. The CA Dept. of Managed Health Care has issued the following statement about this.  In CA, no insurance company or surgeon is supposed to require pre-op weight loss.  Some try, but if you fight them, they can't make you do it.  Ask your surgeon why he thinks you should have to do this, or find another surgeon. http://www.dmhc.ca.gov/aboutTheDMHC/org/boards/cap/BariatricREV.pdf

SUMMARY CONCLUSION

There is no literature presented by any authority that mandated weight loss, once a patient has been identified as a candidate for bariatric surgery, is indicated. There is a mixture of results that question whether weight or truncal obesity is a risk factor for complications after bariatric surgery. The more analytic studies have not found that body mass index (BMI) or total weight is an independent risk factor for complications or death from bariatric surgery.

No institution that has recently published data on bariatric surgery describes a protocol requiring weight loss between identification of the need for surgery and the surgery. Many institutions in California have published results of surgery with particular focus on factors that contribute to morbidity and mortality. No paper from a California institution mentions mandated weight loss before bariatric surgery. Nor does any literature regarding the treatment for the morbidly obese recommend continued weight loss during the period between identification of the need for bariatric surgery and the surgery.

Mandated weight loss prior to indicated bariatric surgery is without evidence-based support.  Mandated weight loss prior to indicated bariatric surgery leaves the patient at increased risk from the patient’s comorbidities. Mandated weight loss prior to  indicated bariatric surgery is not medically necessary. Mandated weight loss prior to indicated bariatric surgery would be deviant from the standard of care practiced in the United States and other published countries. The risks of delaying bariatric surgery, while not entirely known in the short-term, are real and can be measured. Any potential value of losing weight prior to bariatric surgery is theoretical and not supported by any data. An experimental study including fully informed consent to determine if there were a reduction in risks or other benefit from mandated weight loss prior to bariatric surgery is indicated.

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My posts disseminating information about the DS are intended for pre-ops and potential revision patients only.  If something I write offends you, in particular, if you are a post-op from a non-DS WLS that I am comparing unfavorably to the DS, remember your reaction is your choice.  Use the block button if my posts upset you.

 

 

 

 

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Susan S.
Union County, NJ
Member Since: 12/11/06
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If you have fatty liver infiltrates (80% of MO people do) you make a lap RNY technically very difficult to do safely. I really find your comment about bariatric surgeons being "fatty haters" to be offensive. Doctors want their patients to succeed. They want to be able to ensure a safe, minimally invasive procedure if they can and they want a patient who can demonstrate the cognitive capabilities of following significant behavioral change as postops. Yes there is disagreement about the value of 'requiring' weightloss to qualify for surgery - but to dismiss the value of preop weightloss as being solely based on 'bias' is simply a 'bias' on your part. Susan

 

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DianaCox
San Jose, CA
Duodenal Switch (08/05/03)
Member Since: 12/22/02
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Any bariatric surgeon who can't deal with a big liver has no business being a bariatric surgeon.  My own surgeons, the Rabkins, routinely perform the DS -- technically the most difficult of the bariatric procedures -- laparoscopically on 600-800 lb people.   I asked why they didn't require pre-op weight loss to shrink the liver, and they said that there was no proof it was necessary or even helpful; that bariatric surgeons should be able to work around a large liver; and that they preferred putting on the table a well-nourished and less stressed patient to one who managed to lose a few pounds pre-op by starvation. Let me guess -- your surgeon made you starve pre-op and now you think everyone should suffer the way you did. I (obviously) did not have to do a pre-op diet.  Frankly, I don't think I could have done what the patient above is being asked to do -- and in fact, the whole reason I found the DS in the first place is because the local wicked ***** RNY surgeon required the 10% weight loss and so went looking for a surgeon who didn't.  The fact that I didn't feel capable of doing the pre-op starvation diet also doesn't mean I didn't have "the cognitive capabilities" of following a post-op diet.  After the surgery, it is MUCH easier to follow the diet -- especially if that surgery is the DS.  In fact, with the exception of bulimia, my surgeons don't even believe their patients need to resolve their eating disorders -- because they believe that many if not most eating disorders are biological/metabolic in origin, and the DS fixes the root cause to a large extent, making treatment of the emotional aspect of the "disordered eating" much easier post op. So I really don't give a rat's patoot if you think my comments are offensive.  I believe them to be true, and I encourage ANYONE whose surgeon makes such a miserable, torturous and unnecessary requirement to find another surgeon.

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My posts disseminating information about the DS are intended for pre-ops and potential revision patients only.  If something I write offends you, in particular, if you are a post-op from a non-DS WLS that I am comparing unfavorably to the DS, remember your reaction is your choice.  Use the block button if my posts upset you.

 

 

 

 

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Susan S.
Union County, NJ
Member Since: 12/11/06
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Did you check this patients stats? She has a BMI of 83. I guarantee you even the Rabkins would require a weightloss for a patient of this size for her protection. I don't understand why so many of the responses to this person's post think that surgical competence is at issue here. Sound surgical practice requires that the surgeon mitigate against unnecessary risk for the patient to ensure a safe outcome. Any surgeon that would do less that that would not be competent. I've worked with training surgeons for 25 years - and the expectations that lay people put on them never cease to amaze me. Susan

 

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DianaCox
San Jose, CA
Duodenal Switch (08/05/03)
Member Since: 12/22/02
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Was that a money back guarantee?  Because if it was, you owe me.  The Rabkins don't require pre-op weight loss because they think it is pointless and cruel.

DSers: PAY IT FORWARD!

My posts disseminating information about the DS are intended for pre-ops and potential revision patients only.  If something I write offends you, in particular, if you are a post-op from a non-DS WLS that I am comparing unfavorably to the DS, remember your reaction is your choice.  Use the block button if my posts upset you.

 

 

 

 

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Susan S.
Union County, NJ
Member Since: 12/11/06
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You bet you it's a money back guarantee - no anesthesiologist would put a patient with a BMI of 83 under - and even the most gifted surgeon in the world can't operate without GA. I would encourage you to ask them.......we're not talking about a MO patient here - unless the BMI was a mistake this person is at the far end - nearly off the scale - of SMO. THis isn't a question of competence or of 'cruelty' - this is about minimizing risk for a very high risk patient. Susan

 

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Member Since: 04/13/08
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Susan S.
Union County, NJ
Member Since: 12/11/06
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People with high BMIS undergo surgery all the time - not elective and in spite of how serious the situation is with anyone needing WLS - it is considered an elective procedure. I'm delighted the Rabson's are available to help the highest risk patients Hats off to them. Brookhaven, Yale, Columbia, Duke - would all hospitalize a patient with this risk and have inpatient supported weight loss as a pre-requisite to proceed. I guess I'm just stupid. Your experience as a volunteer patient advocate certainly trumps my 25 years as a surgical resident educator.

 

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DianaCox
San Jose, CA
Duodenal Switch (08/05/03)
Member Since: 12/22/02
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(Oops -- I was reading AttyDallas' latest self-immolation on the R&R board and was in reading mode [since he has me blocked] when I replied -- OH lets us have second accounts so long as we only POST under one of them.) And yet, you're wrong again.  I have worked with the Rabkins as a volunteer patient advocate, and have brought patients to them who could not get help elsewhere because of their size.  They are higher risk, but they would STILL be higher risk after losing weight.  And getting the weight off as fast as possible is what matters.

So, yes, they DO work with anesthesiologists who will put someone 800 lbs under.  And in any case. your statement is just STUPID -- People with high BMIs undergo surgery all the time.

DSers: PAY IT FORWARD!

My posts disseminating information about the DS are intended for pre-ops and potential revision patients only.  If something I write offends you, in particular, if you are a post-op from a non-DS WLS that I am comparing unfavorably to the DS, remember your reaction is your choice.  Use the block button if my posts upset you.

 

 

 

 

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Susan S.
Union County, NJ
Member Since: 12/11/06
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I don't have and have never needed a second account. As much as I'm enjoying this interesting debate - posting on the original posters thread seems pointless and perhaps counterproductive to her original question and in fact might be heightening her anxiety when my intention was to encourage her to talk with her surgeon and understand clearly why he wanted some pre-op weightloss. It's perhaps a great shame that the Rabkins can't operate on everybody regardless of risk - and the rest of us have to depend on sound clinical judgement to get us safely through - in spite of how cruel it might be. Susan

 

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anewbecboo
Poway, CA
Member Since: 09/22/06
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You aren't different, most of us are asked to lose before surgery! Usually it is 10%, but some say that it is illegal for them to do so. It really doesn't matter though, because it is for your own good. It shrinks your liver making surgery safer and it shows that you are commited to doing what needs to be done for your new healthier lifestyle!!  You can do this. Just start with making small changes and go from there! Stop drinking soda if you are, stop bringing junk into the house, eat on a small plate with small utensils, drink more water, etc. It doesn't take a whole lot to get started!! Start doing protein shakes at least one meal a day and eat sensibly the other two meals!!  I hope some of these ideas help sweetie! We are here for you and you are not different!!!  Saying prayers for you!!  hugs, Becky
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undecidedloser
TX
Member Since: 02/03/07
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With my surgeon I could eat what I normally ate up until noon the day before surgery then it was clear liquid diet until midnight the same day I could eat nothing at all, no meds, no water, nothing. I ate whatever I wanted until noon the day before my surgery. I don't know if this is good or not because now I'm freakin starving. I think it may be a good idea to do liquid before the surgery so you can get used to eating very little. I was happy to have been able to enjoy what I wanted up until the day before but I also think I might be suffering a little because now I'm so hungry. So look at it as at least you will not be as hungry when your post-op simply because ur used to the amount. Hope that helps. Erica
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Amethyst H.
WA
Member Since: 07/20/07
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I think it is a rare case when someone doesn't have to lose weight before surgery.  The point is to shrink the liver, which makes surgery tremendously easier to do since they have to move the liver to get to the stomach and the bigger it is, the heavier it is.  My surgeon wanted me to lose 20 pounds, but when he found out how close we were to my surgery date (12 days) he amended that to 10 pounds.  I lost 18 before my surgery.  I ate a high protein, low carb and very low fat diet.  Mostly I ate some shrimp, fat free cottage cheese and very lean turkey breast meat along with as much lettuce as I wanted.  I had protein shakes and isopure to increase my protein intake.  I consumed an average of 400-500 calories a day during those 12 days.  I was hungry nearly the entire time, but the payoff was fantastic! If you work hard, you can do it!  Oh, and I strongly encourage you to stick to a diet of NO bread, rice, pasta or cereal (oatmeal, grits, potatoes or any of that stuff).  There is a tim for things like oatmeal, but the pre-op diet/liver shrink period is not that time.  Too much carbs and fat work your liver harder and your liver won't burn off what it already has stored in it because they are readily stored in the liver as fat, which is what makes our livers so big anyway. Please don't be disheartened because your surgeon wants you to loose weight.  I know it feels like "I am here for surgery because I can't lose weight on my own."  But you can do it, and it could save your life during surgery!  At the very least, you will increase your chance of avoiding complications and increasing your recovery time.  Good luck!
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dragonfly466b
GA
Member Since: 04/08/08
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Trust me, you are not alone in this. Your surgeon is just wanting you to be in the best shape possible for surgery.  However, every doctor is different.  Mine just wants me to do a 2 day liquid diet before surgery to help clean everything out.   I would talk with the surgeon and find out excatly what is expected from you.  You need to know how much weight he wants you to lose and if your insurance requires you also.  Believe me, if you really work on it, the weight will come off b/c the doctor can help you with all sorts of things. Good luck, Wendy
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Member Since: 03/11/07
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Lesley666
Labrador, Australia
Duodenal Switch (08/19/04)
Member Since: 05/15/07
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I had lose a heap of weight, a kg or 2.2lbs a week, it was my surgeons way of finding out if I could change my eating habits and stick to his rules and not stuff the surgery up, and you had to be vegetarian, you were not allowed to eat anything that had ever walked, swam or flew. Very radical considering I had DS, it was hard, very hard, but it was a means to an end. I thought it was a crock of **** then and do now but I did it for approximately 4 months, I would have done anything to have the surgery. His rules were to eat mushies and liquid for 6 weeks after the surgery. That was a no-brainer as I had a perforation and ended up with a feeding tube for near 10 weeks.

If want the surgery badly enough, you'll do it.

Regards

Lesley
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TaylorD
Montclair, NJ
Member Since: 05/23/08
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I think it depends upon your insurance and your starting weight. Their main reasons for wanting you to loose weight is to shrink your liver, which will make it easier for them to get at your stomach and operate on you. That's the common reason. It's nothing personal and alot of people have to do it.
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